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t'Sade

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Wiretaps up 26% in 2009
« on: May 02, 2010, 09:52:55 AM »

http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/04/wiretapping/

Sometimes, I hate reading Threat Level and BoingBoing, mainly because the news is so depressing. I think we are at a point in the world where things are beginning to really accelerate, both for privacy and civil rights.

Wiretapping is one of those things. I find it fascinating that most courts do not stop wiretaps. At they mention in the article:

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Not one request for a wiretap was turned down.

And that pretty much fits with the same thing I've heard for year after year. But, the requests keep increasing. Much of it is also how many people are committing crimes and the better tracking of the entire wiretap process.

Just one of those things to be aware of, I guess, in this new world.
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Re: Wiretaps up 26% in 2009
« Reply #1 on: May 02, 2010, 10:28:37 AM »

Yes - the old story - people willing to trade freedom for security.  :(
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Re: Wiretaps up 26% in 2009
« Reply #2 on: May 02, 2010, 11:25:19 AM »

Keep your 1911 loaded ... and don't talk about it on the phone.
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Re: Wiretaps up 26% in 2009
« Reply #3 on: May 02, 2010, 01:35:41 PM »

Yeah, and once they traded their privacy, they don't remember to take it back.

But, there are honest cases where wiretaps are perfectly acceptable. In the article, they talk about the same conviction rate even with the increased wire taps.

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Only 19 percent of the intercepted communications were incriminating, the same as in 2008.

I'm not saying they are wrong, just trying to point out it still happens. There is way too many correlations that I can't make to really rant about it properly. Though, this one made me relatively happy:

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Law enforcement officials have long warned that encryption technology allows criminals to hide their activities, but investigators encountered encrypted communications only one time during 2009’s wiretaps. The state investigators told the court that the encryption did not prevent them from getting the plain text of the messages.

I'm an encryption fan. If I could convince each and everyone person who sent me email to encrypt it using PGP, I'd probably orgasm right on the spot. But, they don't, but I wish they would. I want all communications, both legal and non-legal, to be encrypted simply because it isn't anyone's business. I'm using gmail right now for my email and, frankly, I keep looking for a good PGP encryption tool that built in (FirePGP doesn't work well for me).

And, in those true legal cases, the courts can order someone to give over their encryption keys. But, at that point, it is a serious thing instead of a trolling expedition.

(Of course, I think it would be cool of websites were digitally signed.)
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Re: Wiretaps up 26% in 2009
« Reply #4 on: May 03, 2010, 10:23:40 AM »

Keep your 1911 loaded ... and don't talk about it on the phone.

....and also, wave at the satellites!

Agree totally with encryption!
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Re: Wiretaps up 26% in 2009
« Reply #5 on: May 05, 2010, 12:29:51 PM »

Interesting.
Where did you read that a court can order you to hand out your encryption key?

Well, I guess it may be so in US law.
In Germany there is no way someone can be forced to give out information that could incriminate them.
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Re: Wiretaps up 26% in 2009
« Reply #6 on: May 05, 2010, 02:55:09 PM »

That's a point ... take the Fifth.
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Re: Wiretaps up 26% in 2009
« Reply #7 on: May 05, 2010, 05:58:55 PM »

http://www.edri.org/edri-gram/number6.20/ripa-application-uk
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-10172866-38.html
http://www.praxagora.com/andyo/ar/crypto_amer.html
http://dprogram.net/2009/03/02/federal-court-no-5th-amendment-protection-for-passwordsencryption-keys/

Basically, there are times when the court can order it. Well, a grand jury in the last case, I think. I'm confused about the grand jury since it seems to be like a lawsuit, but you don't have as many protections.

In the last case, the judges said that pleading the Fifth is not enough.
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Re: Wiretaps up 26% in 2009
« Reply #8 on: May 06, 2010, 11:47:28 AM »

Interesting.
In my point of view (in our law) it would be the same as forcing a murder suspect to lead the cops to the place where the victim's body is hidden.

No suspect may be forced to actively cooperate with the police anymore than giving ID. A suspect can be forced to submit to police actions, for example may be subdued so that a blood/DNA sample can be taken or restrained so that a bodily search can be conducted.

When I have to teach trainees, I loosely explain the concept of nemo tenetur (that's the Latin shortcut for the idea that noone has to incriminate oneself) by the following idea:
First, decide what kind of cooperation is required, if any: active or passive.
Passive cooperation means that the suspect is essentially required to "sit still" and let others do something (like having a doctor put a needle in his vein to take a blood sample). If there's a law allowing to take that kind of evidence, then forcing passive cooperation is ok.
Active cooperation on the other hand means that the suspect has to take action, he has to DO something. If evidence cannot be gained without active cooperation of the suspect, then forcing it ALWAYS violates his right not to incriminate himself.

That is why I don't think the comparison with a locked safe and its key is a good one:
If the suspect does NOT hand over the key, the safe can still be opened by force with the proper equipment. So there is actually only passive cooperation of the suspect required in that he doesn't hinder a technician to use a blowtorch or whatever to open the safe.
The difference with file encryption is, of course, a practical one: Passive cooperation won't help, unless you want to wait a few hundred years for the results of a brute force decryption attack. So, active cooperation is the ONLY way to get the evidence.
So a better comparison is indeed the idea of forcing a suspect to lead the police to the hidden body. Because digging over every square-inch of the country is practically impossible, so if the suspect doesn't lead the police, they can't find it.

As far as border guards DID see images before the laptop was shut down, that's certainly admissible evidence. They are witnesses and can be asked about details of what they saw. Whether that's enough for a conviction is for the court to decide.

I also disagree with the concept of "the govt already knows where the evidence is". Simply because it doesn't. The police knows filenames, but not what the files are. If I name a file "terrorist_attack_plan.doc" just because I can, that doesn't at all mean that it's truly a terrorist attack plan. And I don't have to justify how and why I name my files, either. Of course in the context with other evidence it may potentially make such a strong case that it may be enough circumstantial evidence to get to a conviction. (And if that starts to become likely, maybe I'm better off to open that file and let the court see that it's actually my laundry list.)

Anyway, once more, I am glad I don't live in the USA (though, in my job, it might actually be a good thing if I did).
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