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Using laws to probe personal lives for interviews
« on: July 12, 2006, 07:43:18 AM »

http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/07/11/183219
http://www.lsus.edu/career/announcements_details.asp?ID=43

I've seen this a couple of times, at least the using search engine to track down people for their past actions. It kind of follows the "no forgiveness" concept, since what you've done two, five, or even twenty years ago means you still do it, at least to some people. Not unlike if you are male, give blood, and have sex with other men. It doesn't matter how safe, if you are clean, or anything else, you can't ever give blood again. Just because you did it once.

Of course, using my favorite law, the Patriot Act, going through privacy, friends-only is complete and utter crap though. People should have a right to privacy, a right to have their lives without every iota of their personal life being inspected to see if they somehow conform to some ideal.

I suspect that I couldn't have most of my jobs if people knew I was an erotic writer, had the occasional rape fantasy, or just enjoyed writing about the desecration of human ideals. Hell, I probably wouldn't have gotten past the initial interview, despite the fact I'm usually overqualified for most jobs I apply for. And I'm a wonderful person to work with, nice and sweet.

This also reminded me of when George W. Bush was getting elected. People dragged through his entire life, trying to find things that showed he was a "bad" person, like the drunk driving when he was young. As much as I'm very not fond of his politics, I refuse to believe that people are the same now as they were a decade before. That also applies to things like felonies and committing other crimes. You see that question on job interviews, "Have you ever been convicted of a felony?" When I was working at a company that specialized in job applications (in those little kiosks like you see at Sears or Target or Jewel), if you said yes to that question is was pretty much an automatic denial. Our society doesn't seem to forgive, ever.

And that's sad.

Using a bullshit law to probe into people's life to see if there is something not to forgive, that is sadder.
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Re: Using laws to probe personal lives for interviews
« Reply #1 on: July 13, 2006, 10:37:59 AM »

It amazes me once again how the supposedly super-free country USA is restricting personal freedom and privacy and the citizens take it for granted or don't care. Well, amazes is not the right word. I'd better use sadden. No, actually, it is scaring me.

The weirdest thing is, that not only the government does it, but companies, too and I suppose neighbourhoods are jumping on the bandwagon too...

The example about job applications is very interesting, because I wonder what would happen if a person answers "no" to said question and it later found to have lied. Will he/she be fired for lying? (Sidenote: in Germany such a question would be considered an invalid question during job applications. If the applicant is asked, he has a RIGHT to lie. Therefore, if the lie is found out later, it is of no consequence, i.e. the employee can't be fired. The only exceptions where the applicant does not have a right to lie is if it is of direct impact on the job - like applying for a job as an accountant and been convicted for fraud.)

I might have some oldfashioned views, on the other hand, about people in employment of the state. Could be a typical German thing, tho.
As the state has the important function of ensuring that the society it is founded on is kept stable (I mean stable, not oppressed !), I am willing to allow the state a more thorough screening of its personnel. It is simply a matter of ensuring and preserving integrity. The state can not afford to have people working for it who have a mindset that is against the state's and society's ideals. As I said, as a German, my views on the state are probably oldfashioned and we're often criticized about our bureaucracy. But the ideal behind it is actually rather simple: state employees make a trade-off between losing some privacy and civil rights on one hand and a (very) secure job on the other.

Now about the forgiveness of society (or lack of it):

For those who know my RL job, it does obviously make my job a lot easier the more ways of information gathering I can legally get. I'm not adverse to a government law enforcement agency keeping information - like the criminal history of someone - stored, because it might become important in a later investigation. However, it has to be kept from public knowledge.

I perfectly understand that victims of a crime or relatives will not or can not forgive. That's their right. And noone has a right to tell them how they should feel about someone.

Society is different, tho. Society is an abstract entity which in my opinion has no right - actually no capacity - to feel anything.
Society has a function. Well, maybe a couple of functions, but one foremost: preserving peace.

People commit a crime, they get punished according to the law. The law being whatever society agreed is appropriate punishment. The moment the appropriate punishment has been dealt to the convict (whether it be serving time, paying a fine or having their toes tickled with a feather for 24 hours), they should again be considered members of society with all the rights and duties that this membership implies. That's it. End of story. Startover.

Individuals may hold grudges, may decide to never forgive, may hate or feel whatever they like. Society has to be neutral to everyone. A society acting biased will lose its peace preserving function and - eventually - crumble.



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