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[Ludovico]

Lest we forget - Dec.7, 1941!

[necrocorpse]

Lest we forget how our politicians planned the whole thing in advance as a backdoor to get the U.S. into the war in Europe:

http://www.amazon.com/Day-Deceit-Truth-About-Harbor/dp/0743201299/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1260231718&sr=1-1

[t'Sade]

I think this country got a reminder of that abject horror of Pearl Harbor with 9/11, but they are really incomparable to each other. There were thousands of lives destroyed by that, no only the people in Hawaii but also the families in the rest of the world.

Not to mention the sheer violence we threw ourselves into the war. My history teacher told me as a kid, "After Pearl Harbor, we let Germany surrender. Japan? They had no choice in the matter, it became pride."

We are proud. It isn't bad, it isn't good. There are times when we have to do the right thing. I think that Pearl Harbor is an important day, be it good or bad, because we made a choice on that day.

[Ludovico]

Well, the argument that we purposely provoked Japan into attacking (Oct. ultimatum) is generally accepted. The tragedy, or stupidity, is that we were unprepared at Pearl. That is the big comparison with 9/11 - all the intelligence was there, but not put together.

Those who understood the situation were desperate to go after Germany before it was too late. If Russia collapsed, it would be all over, and we would then face Germany alone in a few years. The isolationists did not get that - and were under the delusion the oceans would protect us.

Due to the isolationist feeling, we made the decision to provoke Japan into attacking us. It was necessary to be able to go after Germany.

That's what makes Pearl Harbor so unfortunate - we definitely knew Japan was attacking that day.

Therefore we must always honor those who gave their lives - to save the world from Nazism.

[Ludovico]

Doesn't that silly red warning above know we will always remember this day!

[der Wandersmann]

Doesn't that silly red warning above know we will always remember this day!

Я не понимаю.

And Lud ... it's not "Lest we NEVER forget", it's "Lest we forget". "Lest" is the negative. Your words say "Lest we ever remember".
Sorry ... a pedant to the core.

[Ludovico]

Doesn't that silly red warning above know we will always remember this day!

Я не понимаю.

And Lud ... it's not "Lest we NEVER forget", it's "Lest we forget". "Lest" is the negative. Your words say "Lest we ever remember".
Sorry ... a pedant to the core.

I am humbled - good lesson in humility! Thanks!