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[warlady21]

http://au.news.yahoo.com/a/-/world/5375029/vatican-defends-brazil-excommunication/


This article is about how a mother and her nine year old daughter were excommunicated because the daughter had an abortion. Her stepfather abused her sexualy, and got her pregneat. The church, against abortion, kicked the mother and daughter out because the mother had the fetuses removed.

[der Wandersmann]

Hey, what do you expect from those cretins?

[KK]

AFAIK the girl was not exommnunicated, but only the mother and the doctors.
Not that it makes the news any better or makes any more sense.
But you don't really expect a religion make sense in the first place, do you?

Of course, the rapist was not excommunicated. Yeah right.

*growl*

[der Wandersmann]

I think this Pope can be considered the Roman Church's George W. Bush.

[warlady21]

I think this Pope can be considered the Roman Church's George W. Bush.

NICE ONE! 

[t'Sade]

The problem is rules. Some people view a certain set of rules as more important than others. In this case, from what the article said, the bishop felt that the girl's life was less important than the children. Given that most young girls don't really survive childbirth, it is a sad thing.

I happen to disagree with him, but it happens all the time everywhere. Rules are enforced regardless of the decisions. I think we've covered it before: zero tolerance. It means you don't have to make a decision and don't have to think, because you have Rules™!

Now, for some, excommunication may be unimportant. The mother may have known she was going to be excommunicated before she did this and did it anyways. If that is the case, it is love. If excommunication is a serious thing and she doesn't regret it, that's love. And, in my opinion, that can be more important than any set of rules.

[der Wandersmann]

Nicely put, t'Sade.

As for me, I carry my rules at my hip ... six of 'em. They're only for use when someone violates my other rules, the ones I keep inside. They're pretty much the same ones that everyone is supposed to learn from the cradle on up. Lotsa folks seem to have short memories, though, and hafta be reminded.

I reckon I just got myself into trouble on the DGF, because Amy's soi-disant "master" decided to punish her. If the sumbitch did it in front of me, it would have been the last thing he ever did.

I don't care that Amy feels the need to be subservient; that can be cured ... hell, I've cured dogs of that, well, at least as far as their genes would let them go ... but for him to take his insecurities out on her ... my shooting his balls off wouldn't do him any harm; he never had any in the first place.

Reuel Denney used to call me a dinosaur, a vanishing breed. Mebbe he was right, but I sure don't think the world is any better off for lack of folks with a bit of spine.

[t'Sade]

I have to add something though. I don't consider the bishops actions really representing the entire Church. Instead, I think it is a situation where he made a decision and the church is more behind his decision more than for them. I'm pretty sure more than a few of the members in Rome wish he didn't do anything like this publicly.

I think mixing in the problem is that they need to keep their strength behind their bishops and cardinals, to prevent from appearing weak. And that can sometimes put the church in a bad position.

Now, that isn't saying there aren't people in the church who agree with him. No doubt, like any organization that large, there will be people for and against just about any point.

[der Wandersmann]

"Man shall not be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest."
                                                           — Jean Meslier (attrib.)

[handlebar]

Most churches have those stupid type of rules so that the preacher has power over the puppets. the 10% tithe rule is one. in a church with a 1000 followers that can pull in 20,000 to 50,000 a week. No sales tax, no property tax, no tax on rental property. Just pay the staff (unless they volunteer) and the head church organization and you pull in a hefty profit each month. the catholic church has had a pedophile problem for ever. when they find one out he's moved to another country or across country. He is forced to confess so they don't have to tell the cops where he is or what he did. Did you know if somebody confesses to killing and raping little girls or boys the priest can't tell or turn him in!

[luiscypher]

Okay...

SCIENCE tells us life begins at conception.  If that is so, than a fertilized egg is a human being.

Abortion is the pre-meditated killing of a human being.  Textbook definition of Murder.

If you condone abortion, you simply cannot be a Catholic, the two are mutually exclusive.

In the United States, we have 1,000,000 abortions every year.  That's a MILLION Children a YEAR!

6 out of every ten BLACK Pregancies end in Abortion.

Planned Parenthood was founded EXPRESSLY for the purpose of exterminating BLACK PEOPLE! (And we fund this with your Tax Dollars). http://blackgenocide.org/sanger.html

[der Wandersmann]

Hoo, boy!
I think I need a li'l drinkie or six, after that.
And my sixgun, fer sure.

[luiscypher]

Facts are inarguable.  They simply are.

I love it when the left whines and cries about "OH, The christians are so mean and they need to change!"

No, they don't.  They're christians.

In the spirit of TOLLERANCE, which the left is all about, you should TOLLERATE them!

On the PRO CHOICE side, it's all about the choice to abort... not the CHOICE to NOT abort, or the CHOICE to NOT get pregnant.  Abortion is the ONLY CHOICE!

Unless, of course, you're aborting GIRLS.  In China, the one child policy is resulting in a whole lot of aborted girls...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/1506469.stm

I can hear all these code pinkers screaming: "They're aborting GIRLS!  It's soo SEXIST!"

It's PRO CHOICE, you morons!  They're CHOICE is to ABORT GIRLS!  Maybe they figure they'll have less of a problem with code pinkers if they nip them in the womb...

[KK]

Sorry, but I disagree about tolerance.

Yes, tolerance is a good thing. But there is tolerance and the law.
And if something is against the law, there is no place for tolerance. NONE ! NEVER !

So either you consider an unborn human being a human - or you don't. It's a yes or no question.
And if you consider it a human being, then the next question is: Do the same full rights apply or don't they? If they don't, why not? And what "partial rights" do apply then?
There are many good arguments for or against it and I don't assume to know a "correct" answer.

But one thing is sure: Society - as in: the people - has to decide what its answer is. And that decision is binding. For everyone. It's not a matter of tolerance, it is a matter of obeying the law.

[LT]

Can't say I agree with the idea of forcing a 9 year old girl to have twins.  I'm also a big one when it comes to individual rights.  One thing though, they really ought to find the sicko who got the 9 year old pregnant and string him up by his pecker, but that's just my opinion.